Today’s guest is Lee Johnson—fellow occultist, fellow South African, and a man with 25 years of magical practice under his belt. Our first connection was brief on the Woza forum, but it rapidly evolved into deeper conversations and the realization of our aligned perspectives and insights.
While Lee and I don’t walk identical paths—he leans into demonology, while I walk more of a hybrid route—his depth of practice is indisputable. Lee runs his own channel, offers magical services, and crafts potions and poppets. What makes this episode special is that Lee was able to join me in person, creating an energy-laden space that, no joke, knocked out our camera equipment. So if the video gets shaky halfway, now you know why. Regardless, we captured the full conversation from our support camera, so you won’t miss the gems.
This interview cracks open Pandora’s box. We talk about misconceptions—like idiotic sacrifices and pseudo-occult scams. We confront the reality that every tradition has its criminals, and we emphasize responsible practice. We’re not glorifying ego or claiming mastery. We’re sharing the raw truth that transformation demands discernment, shadow work, and a real path.
“Demons don’t demand sacrifice—they demand evolution. They don’t want obedience; they want transformation.”
“Your discernment is your greatest protection. Without it, you’re just a battery for someone else’s illusion.”
Demons, in their original etymological context, are divine intelligences—not evil spirits.
Meditation, energy work, and trance cultivation are essential prerequisites to safe and effective magical practice.
Astral parasites are real and mimic divine spirits; discernment is crucial.
Magical experiences differ per individual. There is no correct manifestation—only authenticity in connection.
Healing unresolved trauma, shame, and programming is non-negotiable for real magic to work.
The true path to spiritual power is radical responsibility—recognizing how we unconsciously shape reality.
Initiation is death and rebirth. Every new magical level requires releasing old identities.
Spiritual discernment must be applied not just to spirits, but to teachers, traditions, and yourself.
Repetition of foundational practices is not regression—it’s refinement.
Spirit contact and manifestation are amplified by clear, conscious, aligned internal structures.
“Real magic begins the moment you take total responsibility for your reality—no gods, no masters, just you.”
“The true self is not found—it’s forged through intention, practice, and the fire of initiation.”
Lee highlights the importance of meditation, breathwork, and energy training as the cornerstone of magical development. Without it, you’re prey to astral parasites and illusion. He explains how many newcomers rush into spirit contact without discernment, only to end up dealing with manipulative astral entities posing as divine spirits. These parasites feed on your energy through depression and anxiety while pretending to help you. Recognizing and escaping these traps requires self-love, clarity, and grounded magical practice.
We explore the difference between true demons—divine intelligences with ancient roots—and these vampiric astral entities. The word “demon” itself comes from the Greek “daimon,” meaning a guiding spirit, not an evil entity. In Lee’s practice, demons are teachers. They empower, challenge, and help you grow. But they don’t just hand you wealth or fame for a soul bargain. That’s Hollywood nonsense.
Lee and I also discussed personal connection with spirits—how they show up in subtle, intuitive ways. For him, Hecate and Pan appeared through synchronistic conversations and nudges over time. For me, Santa Muerte revealed herself through symbols and moments that felt like whispers from the void. These experiences weren’t dramatic or cinematic. They were real, slow, and transformative.
We talk about the ritual of building relationships—offerings, invocation, trance states, and bloodletting. But always with the understanding that the method is secondary to the inner experience. Some spirits manifest with warmth, others through tingling or shifts in voice. There’s no one-size-fits-all. For me, primal singing and movement help me reach that place. For Lee, it’s chanting and trance. Possession is not like the movies—it’s sacred, not theatrical.
We break down astral projection as more than a mystical fantasy. Whether through dreams, shamanic descent, or trance states, astral work is about internal navigation. Lee outlines methods like the elevator visualization and describes the somatic descent into the body as the real key to crossing the veil. Spirit communication is less about escaping and more about embodying the deep self.
Of course, healing comes first. Trauma, shame, and programming must be faced. You can’t bypass this work. If you do, the most potent rituals will fall flat. We discuss the importance of purifications—not to banish demons, but to clear parasites and limiting beliefs.
Lee shares his journey with the Abramelin operation and how true communication with the higher self—the fetch mate, the divine double—requires daily commitment. Whether you call it the daemon, the higher self, or the divine witness, the process is about integration, marriage with divinity, and transformation.
We discuss the dangers of spiritual manipulation. From Wiccan covens abusing chakra closures to fake gurus demanding sex in exchange for initiation, the path is littered with predators. Lee and I both emphasize critical thinking and personal responsibility. You are God—but only when you take full responsibility for your reality.
The conversation wraps with Lee sharing his involvement with puppet magick, servitor construction, and his various offerings through The Poppet House and Devil Made Me. If you’re curious about how to bring spirits into physical form or how traditional herbs empower magical work, definitely check out his services.
We end, as always, with the reminder to live deliciously. This isn’t about fear. It’s about freedom. The freedom to discover, to transform, and to become something more than your history. Something sacred.
Lee W Johnson is a practitioner and creator dedicated to exploring the realms of magick, witchcraft, and the occult. Through his work, he delves into traditions like Kabbalah, Modern Daemonolatry, and Traditional Witchcraft, while also pushing boundaries with innovative practices like Cyber Magick and Techpaganism.
“Your fear is the veil. Your shame is the gatekeeper. Only through love of self do you unlock the way.”
“Ritual is not about props—it’s about presence. You are the altar, the priest, and the god.”
“Magicians don’t escape reality—they shape it. One ritual, one wound, one rebirth at a time.”
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Before proceeding, please acknowledge and accept our formal position. We do not accept the models proposed by various occult groups that portray angels or demons as abstract beings with agency or will of their own. Rather, we view them purely as representations of the practitioner’s individual psyche. We also regard the reasons for their changes over time and the similarities between cultures as evidence of a shared human unconscious, referred to by Jung as the collective unconscious.
This means it is not “the devil” that makes people do harmful things; people alone are responsible for their actions. When someone has an unhealthy relationship with these parts of the psyche, their experience can become distorted. They may require professional therapy and the guidance of a mental health professional; otherwise, they risk taking these powers of the unconscious to a dark place because those parts have been corrupted by misinformation, trauma, or both.
Our position is that each person is the ruler of their own kingdom/reality, and that spirit has no interest in human affairs and is not subject to an ego.
Accordingly, our interpretation of occult systems—from the Tree of Life and Tree of Death to the Goetia and Shem—is purely symbolic. We treat them through the IFS (Internal Family Systems) model as representational frameworks that illustrate splits within the human psyche, and we work with them in a manner similar to “duality therapy.”
Therefore, any person claiming that a spirit instructed them to do X or Y is expressing a cry for help and should be treated as such.
This is why this movement is clearly marked by the identifier “God Is Not Therapy.” We are not here to provide therapy, but to present a model of these forces and practices for the purpose of understanding, navigating, and working with one’s own unconscious. By proceeding, you acknowledge your responsibility to seek professional assistance if you are experiencing any of these issues before continuing with this work.
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Before proceeding, please acknowledge and accept our formal position. We do not accept the models proposed by various occult groups that portray angels or demons as abstract beings with agency or will of their own. Rather, we view them purely as representations of the practitioner’s individual psyche. We also regard the reasons for their changes over time and the similarities between cultures as evidence of a shared human unconscious, referred to by Jung as the collective unconscious.
This means it is not “the devil” that makes people do harmful things; people alone are responsible for their actions. When someone has an unhealthy relationship with these parts of the psyche, their experience can become distorted. They may require professional therapy and the guidance of a mental health professional; otherwise, they risk taking these powers of the unconscious to a dark place because those parts have been corrupted by misinformation, trauma, or both.
Our position is that each person is the ruler of their own kingdom/reality, and that spirit has no interest in human affairs and is not subject to an ego.
Accordingly, our interpretation of occult systems—from the Tree of Life and Tree of Death to the Goetia and Shem—is purely symbolic. We treat them through the IFS (Internal Family Systems) model as representational frameworks that illustrate splits within the human psyche, and we work with them in a manner similar to “duality therapy.”
Therefore, any person claiming that a spirit instructed them to do X or Y is expressing a cry for help and should be treated as such.
This is why this movement is clearly marked by the identifier “God Is Not Therapy.” We are not here to provide therapy, but to present a model of these forces and practices for the purpose of understanding, navigating, and working with one’s own unconscious. By proceeding, you acknowledge your responsibility to seek professional assistance if you are experiencing any of these issues before continuing with this work.
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